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I have just been reading an article on the web from The Guardian, it is about two years old.

It said that the last cigarette factory in the UK was to close, Imperial Tobacco in Nottingham, with the loss of five hundred jobs.

One factory belonging to Japan Tobacco would remain in Ireland,  I assume Southern Ireland.

It seems that most of our cigarettes come from Germany, France and Eastern Europe now.

They blamed taxes, cheap pirated copies, and EU authority health regulations.

What I have been thinking about is this.     

 When Great Britain leaves the EEC will the British find that they have problems getting hold of their favourite cigarettes from the EEC member states.    

The same way that the Americans have problems getting hold of British snuff?



  • Big tobacco will have no problem paying the registration fees and tariffs to sell several million packets of cigarettes every single day. The economics work in their favour, unlike with snuff.
  • I agree. It is almost like a mafia of sorts according to me and a good revenue generator for the governments. Hence they will ban everything but cigarettes..
  • there is too much speculation going on about brexit in my opinion because its too early. it will probably take years to hammer out all the details. that being said, i think the big cigarette companies have enough sway in governments around the globe to make sure they dont lose all their customers in the UK. But again, that is still speculation (and a little bit of conspiracy theory) lol
  • there is a lot of speculation going on in my country, the U.S, about president trump. your support or opposition for the president is the touchiest subject right now. this "us or them" attitude people are getting makes it impossible to have an open discussion and gives rise to extremism on both sides. it is dangerous path to take.
  • its not ok to call one group of people nazis or homophobes but it is ok to call another group a cancer on society? im not trying to say which one of those groups i agree with. i just wanted to point that out that i think that is a bit of a double standard.
    i hope that doesnt come off as insulting because that is not my intention
  • @lunecat  you mention     SJWs   ,  is that       The Society of Jehovah's Witnesses ?

    If it is, you should be safe here, as they do not use tobacco.

    Remember  @lunecat  , 

    Opportunity only knocks once. 

    If there is a second knock its probably Jehovah's Witnesses.


  • I must admit I'm quite happy to be a social justice warrior, but at least one that's grown up since he left University.  There, of course, in with the trendy lefties, I called anyone who disagreed with me a fascist, not having the slightest idea what fascism actually was.  I see now that this behaviour is simply an excuse for not having an argument with which to rebut your opponents, and a sign of a very thin skin.  But not all people who are interested in social justice are like that.  Although it's a clunkier and less user-friendly description, i prefer to think of people whom Lunecat has described as being adequately summed-up by the historian Michael Burleigh as:
    "Intolerant tolerance-fetishists".  

    Listen to Jello Biafra & Mojo Nixons' version of "Love Me I'm a Liberal" for a laugh sometime about this.  Or Holiday in Cambodia by Dead Kennedys.
  • The whole PC/SJW has done a major disservice to anti-racism, civil rights, voter rights, women's rights, and human rights in general.  There are real, valid issues such as police brutality, voter suppression, wage equality etc. but they get swept away with all the "trigger warning" and language-policing nonsense.  I understand why it pisses people off, but the we shouldn't lose sight of the woods through the trees.

    As for fascism and Nazism in relation to the current U.S. administration, I suggest reading a bit about the ideologies of Trump-appointees like Steve Bannon and Stephen Miller.  I'm not calling anyone a Nazi, but I am saying they that their beliefs clearly have a lot in common with fascism.  Like Sessions and others, they have made overtly racist comments.  If the shoe fits....
  • I've left this forum before, and now, I feel it's time to go again. A thread gets closed down for virtually nothing, but we let conservative bigots post their drivel on and on. Enjoy your forum.
  • miamimarkmiamimark Moderator
    Please stick around, I just made a major change
  • Have I missed a fight? Damn! I'll be late to my own funeral. Zanaspus stand your ground don't give in.
  • I just clicked on @lunecat   in one of my discussions and his home-page of info about him has a red BANNED sign on it.

    Shame, sorry to see him go.       He has some good knowledge on snuff.

  • MrSnuffMrSnuff Administrator
    @Declan : I believe lunecat was banned because he was getting too personal and vindictive, NOT because of his political leanings.

    All members: it should be borne in mind that this is not the forum to discuss your own or anybody else's political views. 

    It is first and foremost a snuff forum. 

    All political comments should be limited to how legislation relates directly to snuff or other tobacco products. Straying away from that basic premise can cause discussions to rapidly decline into offensive spats which is not what we are about here. There are a myriad of other forums to spout away till your heart is content, but there is only really one snuffhouse.

    Having said that, I agree that when lunecat was on the topic of snuff he was a great member: knowledgeable, erudite fellow and had very interesting things to say. So, yes it is a shame.

  • im so sorry, i feel like this is all my fault. this was not my intention. i like lunecats comments on other threads and he seemed very knowledgeable. i will not comment on anything to political again.
    i would also like to see him unbanned too 
  • MrSnuffMrSnuff Administrator

    Chico: I actually feel European first, British second

    Lunecat: God I hate people that say "I am European first and British second" those kind of people are the worst kind of politically immature, ignorat morons that have ever existed! (sic - not sure if the typo was deliberate or not)

    For the record, none of the moderators are employed. They are all volunteers. I can assure you they are not vetted by political opinion. I honestly haven't the slightest clue what the political leanings of any of the moderators is. You could have volunteered yourself if you feel it is unbalanced politically - though that should not even be a consideration here since it is not a political site.

    The mods mandate is simply (and I quote):

    --making sure that snuff and tobacco are the main topics of discussion;
    keeping the website free of too much political discussion, especially when it
    strays away from tobacco; not allowing ANY flaming, trolling, or other personal
    attacks on any other member. Think of it as a friendly, non-threatening
  • MrSnuffMrSnuff Administrator
    Damn the end of my post disappeared
  • MrSnuffMrSnuff Administrator
    Here's the last bit minus the apostrophes.

    Think of it as a friendly, non-threatening gentlemens and ladies club.
    Try to be objective.

  • miamimarkmiamimark Moderator
    I'm "making my self known" as asked.
    First of all, up until a couple hours ago, I was the only regularly participating Moderator, there was no "team"
    That's no secret, everyone that's been here for a while knows who I am.
    I've been "flying by night" on this forum for almost 10 years.
    I spent 4 days in England, 30 years ago. Here in the US, I'm a registered Republican but I have voted for both parties, over the years.
    I apologize for my ignorance but I have no idea what being "leftist" means. Seriously, not a clue. 
    I was minding my own business, ignoring all this political talk until a member, mentioning me by name, told me to "sober up" and "put my spliff down"
    There have been other comments from this same member that I've quietly deleted that were very derogatory.
    I think it's time to move on...  
  • miamimarkmiamimark Moderator
    To add... if the other Mods want to reverse my banning, I have no problem with that. I have NO problem being overruled.
    If I acted hastily and in error after being personally attacked for no reason, that's my mistake alone.
    PLEASE stop this ridiculous ranting about the "leftist moderating team!!!"
    If you knew how absurd that was, you'd be embarrassed. 

  • miamimarkmiamimark Moderator
    Hey Andrew / Lunecat / Declan. You used to be a moderator, you know we have access to everyone's IP address. Nice try using a IP masker when you first opened your "Declan account. You forgot to stick with it tho...
  • miamimarkmiamimark Moderator
    I'll leave it up to the other mods and I'll stay out of it. If it were up to me, I'd ban Declan too. I was the ONLY MOD that banned you and I don't know ANYTHING about this political BS you keep talking about.
    You have the NERVE to tell me to SOBER UP???? Seriuosly?????
  • miamimarkmiamimark Moderator
    You told me to "sober up" (as Lunecat) and put my "spliff down" 
    I guess you already forgot, that was several hours ago.
    I remember other things that I'll keep to myself. You probably forgot those too.
  • miamimarkmiamimark Moderator
    For the record... wasn't me!! 
  • HitsuzenHitsuzen Administrator, Moderator
    Before anyone blames anyone else, I just banned "Declan".
  • RoderickRoderick Member
    edited March 2017 PM
    Bring back Lunecat, Bring back Lunecat! PS I also like Dave and Miami Mark, but come on guys banning Lunecat is like banning ..... me. I feel British first and I never felt European! I know I have and I think Lunecat also has many friends in Europe. But that still doesn't make me a European.
  • RoderickRoderick Member
    edited March 2017 PM
    Declan, Come on guys. This is midnight we all have had a drink and if you haven't go and get one. We are big boys now and none of us are trolls. This is a great forum but it needs people to push the boundaries. I hate trolls but I love to quote 'viva la difference'. 'I would hate to be a member of a club that would have me as a member'. Groucho Marks. This is what makes this forum great, we are all outsiders.
  • One Final comment and I'm off to bed. This is the Wikipedia definition. A forum was a gathering place of great social significance, and often the scene of diverse activities, including political discussions and debates, rendezvous, meetings, et cetera. 
  • HitsuzenHitsuzen Administrator, Moderator
    @Roderick Declan was Lunecat, using a different profile.
  • I've only been here a short time and don't really know anyone yet, and I admit I did not read the rules on political discussions.  I just chimed in a couple of times, respectfully I hope, to remind people that not everyone has right-wing extremist views. Apologies for my role but clearly I'm not the only one uncomfortable with the forum being an ultra-conservative free-for-all. I would never have joined in the first place if I thought it was. And if that's what people want, I'll happily go.

    Ironically, Lunecat/Declan seemed angry at feeling persecuted for his political beliefs when he was the one doing the name-calling, ridiculing, and making the offensive remarks about people whose politics and even sense of identity differ from his own.  The guy called me "the worst kind of politically immature, ignorat moron" because I'm not a nationalist and identify more as a European than as a Brit - even though he knows NOTHING about me. Why does he even care?  We are two random guys on a snuff forum.  He was trying to shut down opposing views, just as he claimed the moderators were doing.  

    I don't care if he's banned or not - I haven't been around long enough to have an opinion - but it seems a lot of people like him.  Whatever the case, in my view, the only forums that remain consistently fun and civil are the ones that ban politics outright and enforce that rule with a heavy hand. Better to focus on the shared interests that brought us here.  I for one can't help replying to those kinds of comments even when it's against my better judgement, so I'd rather know it's not allowed at all, ever.  Just my 2 cents.
  • Well that was..... eventful. X_X

    I'm sure this will all blow over quickly. The upset that is, not the snuff, that would just be messy..... which is why I always replace the lid before snuffing in case I sneeze or cough :-\"
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