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My knowledge is worthless if not shared and applied . "Joseph McKenna"  


  • matteobmatteob Member
    edited July 2017 PM
    Looks like it. This Simoneau woman has been sending off these letters to UK vendors too. i guess this is why most refuse to ship to the US now :/
  • n9inchnailsn9inchnails Moderator
    edited July 2017 PM
    The FDA has ABSOLUTELY NO say in what any other country is allowed to ship into America, unless the store is located INSIDE America it is out of the FDAs jurisdiction , they are in violation of international treaty by even attempting to enforce THEIR laws on another country. These companies should file a class action lawsuit against the FDA in the supreme court and that will put an end to the FDA sticking their noses in your business.
  • No offence to Americans but the US does like to throw its weight around inter jurisdictionally. It is a very arrogant attitude.
  • n9inchnailsn9inchnails Moderator
    edited July 2017 PM
    That warning letter is a joke, it only states US laws that exist only in the US. As a UK citizen living in the UK he is not subject to US law. The only thing they can do to him is to seize his products when they enter the US.
  • Agreed. That letter is nothing more than a spooky threatening letter. If our unelected ABC agencies had any professionalism or decency, they'd send a more polite letter to the corresponding ABC agency in the UK and let them resolve it as they saw fit. FDA is drunk and out of control.
  • edited July 2017 PM
    These products are sold in some places in the USA.  Kretek International is just the distributor . a quick fix is a label that states not for human consumption. Then all those stupid lying cancer labels would not apply . I often buy stuff that says not for human consumption, that would otherwise be illegal to sell. Loop holes exist. example deadly nightshade. This stuff will kill you. But it has it's uses.
    My knowledge is worthless if not shared and applied . "Joseph McKenna"  
  • @basement_shaman  That is brilliant.  "Aromatic ground tobacco.  WARNING: Not for human consumption."  I wonder if you'd even need a license to make and sell it?  The legal term "tobacco products" only seems to apply to tobacco meant for ingestion.
  • edited July 2017 PM
    @ArgentOrangeOK exactly  bug snuff kills bugs dead. Mix with water and spray on garden
    My knowledge is worthless if not shared and applied . "Joseph McKenna"  
  •    "bug snuff" reminded me that for many years tobacco snuff was mixed with water and used as a garden pesticide.
    It was also used as a nostril rinse for flushing parasites out of sheep's noses.

    I will look through the old newspapers for any articles and find add a few dates of when it was in use.
    When I get started I can bore for England.


  • edited July 2017 PM
    My knowledge is worthless if not shared and applied . "Joseph McKenna"  
  • edited July 2017 PM
    Great song about the screwy, backwards state of affairs regarding the treatment of drugs in the US.
  • I just saw Siliver Dollar snuff in a smoke shop here in Seaside Oregon, USA. No label change, no nuthin'. Dude behind the counter didn't even know what nasal snuff was. I gave him a brief history lesson and offered him a pinch of WoS Chocolate Mint. He declined, and looked at me like I was a complete weirdo.
  • @mrmanos Too bad that WoS chocolate Mint is MIA. 
  • Cigar Land store that is less than a mile from my house where I get my house beer at. Cheaper than any other store within a few miles has every cigar as far as I know under the sun. Owner I know has never used any tobacco products in his life. Ask about snuff and he has not a clue about what I'm talking about. After a few seconds his eyes light up and grabs a can of Copenhagen?!
    Fuddy Duddy look when I say for nose??!!?? Will not pursue any more locally....
  • We will do everything we can to satisfy the FDA, follow every instruction including using those crazy oral warnings on nasal snuff but, they need to remember that the UK is NOT part of the USA. What we do in our Country is our Countries business. How we save the lives of our smokers is our business. 

    An important fact most anti-tobacco lobbyists forget is smokers die 8.4 years before a none tobacco user. Snuff users out live non-tobacco users by 1 day.
  • @Roderick  
     What do you expect from a country that claims to have invented baseball and has a "World Series" that is only open to American Leagues!

  • edited July 2017 PM
    My knowledge is worthless if not shared and applied . "Joseph McKenna"  
  • @ArtChoo haha Stoolball In an 1801 book entitled The Sports and Pastimes of the People of England, Joseph Strutt claimed to have shown that baseball-like games can be traced back to the 14th century, and that baseball is a descendant of a British game called stoolball. The earliest known reference to stoolball is in a 1330 poem by William Pagula, who recommended to priests that the game be forbidden within churchyards.

    In stoolball, a batter stood before a target, perhaps an upturned stool, while another player pitched a ball to the batter. If the batter hit the ball (with a bat or his/her hand) and it was caught by a fielder, the batter was out. If the pitched ball hit a stool leg, the batter was out. It was more often played by young men and women as a sort of spin the bottle.

    Similar to baseball , but ball players patt each other on the ass  seems to be common with American Foot baller too  

    My knowledge is worthless if not shared and applied . "Joseph McKenna"  

  • Took a bit of finding but well worth a read.

    "bafs-ball"                    old print a script used  an   f   as an   s     .

    If the link does not work correctly,  the article is in the Mail Online July 18th 2017.   And the article is by, we are  told,  baseball expert  David Black.  If the article does not come up, I will type out extracts from it.

    So bass-ball has been recorded as being played by The Prince of Wales and  Lord Middlesex at Surrey on Thames,  on 12th September 1749.      Before any recorded American mention of the game.

    Let me know if the link does not work.

    By the way, the most entertaining game of baseball in history has to be the one when Leslie Nielson was the umpire in the Naked Gun film.

  • yea, I don't do spectator sports, They were invented by the roman senate to distract the people from the massive corruption of the politicians . And it still is applied in today's world. 
    My knowledge is worthless if not shared and applied . "Joseph McKenna"  
  • @basement_shaman

    Another little known fact.    Yet to be verified.

    Although claimed by the Americans,  the atomic bomb was actually invented by the British and Australians.
    We had made great progress in the field of nuclear physics and fusion but became side tracked with WW2.

    As we were a bit busy, we gave it to the Americans to test.  The reason given at the time was 
    " if we tested the device in a place like Wigan, we would not be sure if the device had worked or not." 

    :)) =))

  • @Artchoo You live in Wigan? I read Orwell's Road to Wigan Pier. Loved the first few chapters.
  • You know the moon landing was filmed in Hollywood. No one can survive crossing the van allen belt. Nasa Lied and so did the soviets   
    My knowledge is worthless if not shared and applied . "Joseph McKenna"  
  • there is a philosophical test called occam's razor worth looking up. basically it means that the theory that makes the least amount of assumptions is the correct theory. when people start talking about conspiracy theories i bring it up. just a thought experiment
  • @peacock      I looked up  Occam's Theory.   I can base my entire life around it now.

    I have one great assumption, so it must be correct according to Occam.

    Here it is.
    Absolutely gorgeous  women never ask me to take them out.

    The reason is that they would be devastated if I refused them.

    Any one know of a modelling agency that specialises in baldy, fat men with specs.?


  • @ArtChoo yep that theory checks out. it must be true!  :)) 
  • dan11dan11 Member
    I got chatted up by a transvestite in a bar last night. She said she was from Manchester but has a Wigan address.

  • =))
  • marcomarco Member
    Roderick --so where does your statistic about snuff users outliving non-tobacco users by one day? Good news, but would that finding get measured....and btw, anecdotally,  snuff works for me fighting off colds and other respiratory stuff, i haven't been significantly sick in this way since starting stuff...i work in a public place with a lot of kids....
  • @dan11      Wigan is in Greater Manchester.

    A transvestite once told me she/he went on a cruise down the Rhine.
    She told me that she fell overboard.
    I asked her if she dragged herself up on deck.
    "Oh no" she said, "I just dressed casually."


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