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Bidding farewell to vacuum sealed tins / Vikings now made (packed) by WoS?

volungevolunge Member
edited June 4 in General
Just spotted a photo of some new (?) Viking tins on Reddit. It seems that Viking switched to WoS type cans and shrink band seal...


Thors Hammer

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  • GunnarGunnar Member
    I enjoyed the struggle trying to finesse the old cans open :)
  • volungevolunge Member
    Reportedly, mfg date code format now is the same as that of WoS - XXX XXA. It's on the bottom of the tin.
  • HumppaHumppa Member
    It would be a pitty. I really like the SG cans.

    Keep the stuff in there fresh for a long time. At least much longer than the WoS cans. It is due to the rubber seal at the SG cans that keep the content longer fresh than in most other tin types.

  • n9inchnailsn9inchnails Moderator
    Yet another reason to buy bulk
  • HoffwellHoffwell Member
    If Wilsons are now making Viking it will soon become apparent as they wont be able to replicate the 'fluffy' SG grind.
  • volungevolunge Member
    @Hoffwell, true. Have you tried the new WoS Kendal Brown yet? I'm dying to how it compares to SG one.
  • HoffwellHoffwell Member
    @volunge No haven't tried it. Have had the now defunct KB Special but not the regular brown.

    Are we to understand SG are finished then?
  • ar47ar47 Member
    Thanks for bringing this up @volunge!

    What's the consensus here - whose tins are best and worst?

    I think best is Toque's F&T and maybe Toque's 10g. I think worst are the tap tins and Second are the slip tins like pictures. The vac tins though are something else. Not above average for regular use but I could get a 3 or 5 year old SG or GH and it still be moist & aromatic.

    I personally am not a fan of the change of tin.

    I'm trying my best to assume they will keep the old facilities and suppliers to keep making the SG/Viking as we love it today
  • JohanoJohano Member
    I hope that they introduce all regular 25g Vikings in 100g tins instead of only 0,5 kilos. Those 100g plastic tubes seems to be fine for storage ime and helluva lot cheaper than smaller tins.
  • volungevolunge Member
    edited June 10 PM
    @ar47, I'm not a fan of the change either. As revealed by some ex worker of J&H W, shelf life of snuff in unopened vac tins is up to 4 years. Small tins up to three months. Interesting detail - in older days retailers returned non sold ("expired") tins to manufacturer for "re-mixing".

    Full quote of @gillybean129 revelation: "
    Definitely airtight containers, Wilson's airtight time had a
    shelf life of 4 years (until they were opened of course!), pocket boxes
    would have a limited shelf life of three months and will lose their
    flavour and top notes after which time they were classed as old stock
    and would be returned the mixing process.... " http://snuffhouse.com/discussion/comment/160290/#Comment_160290

  • volungevolunge Member
    @Johano, good news, all
    Vikings are already available in 50, 100, 250 and 500 g tubs. Bad news,
    at the meantime all sizes are available only at mysmokinstore: 
    https://www.mysmokingshop.co.uk/index2.php?mod=category&nm=The Viking Snuff&nc=SNUFF&man=451&cat=82

    @ar47, worth checking other @gillybean129 posts.

    An alloy of F&T tubs is prone to corrosion (be careful with Santo Domingo and Princes, better store them decanted), but they are great for dry snuffs. Toque tins are definitely better than WoS-type.

  • Toque tins(10g) are my regular snuffboxes.
    The best tins are the SWS aluminum ones!(15g)
  • JohanoJohano Member
    @tobaccobob I agree, plus SWS dont tend to bend in some places like Toques. Must be made of thicker alloy or something
  • I just recieved an order including a Viking Blonde, Brown, Dark, and Thor's Hammer and all were the vacuum sealed tins. That doesn't mean the change isn't coming...just that it hadn't occurred as of my order. 
  • ar47ar47 Member
    @volunge RE:F&T I was referring to the vertical medium and large tins that Toque sells F&T in rather than the squat tins that WoS usually comes in. Which are you referring to? I've certainly had those corrode shut on me. Most any dark WoS/F&T

    I would love to get 50g versions of Thor's hammer in the US
  • ALLexALLex Member
    @brandaves how is Thors Hammer compared to my favorite Viking Dark?
  • @ar47 the tins I bought were the 25g tins. I decanted them into glass as soon as they arrived as I was afraid the moisture content might not be great for storing long term in the tins.

    @ALLex to be honest I've only dipped into each of them once so I can't really speak to how the flavor of the Thor's Hammer compares to the Dark with any confidence. Give me a little bit with them and I'll get back to you. :)
  • ALLexALLex Member
    @brandaves of course mate, take your time enjoy them and i will appreciate to tell me whenever you feel ready!
  • n9inchnailsn9inchnails Moderator
    I'm pretty sure Thors Hammer is just a 50/50 mix of Viking Dark and Viking Blonde.
  • JohanoJohano Member
    @ALLex VD got a bit coarser grind than VTH, Also, There are some citrus/floral notes (Im not good at describing scents tbh) in Thor's Hammer, but suprisingly good and mild. I think ammonia is a bit weaker than in VD. Its hard to tell which one is stronger in nic, but with Thor's Hammer you wont be dissapointed - it deserves this name!
  • volungevolunge Member
    edited June 17 PM
    @ar47, I was referring to vertical tins. I only had two of them in old days (2010-11), HDT and Santo Domingo. HDT tin was intact, but Santo Domingo corroded after six months and contaminated the snuff so bad I had to ditch it (half of the tin). I wanted to save the tin, but I didn't manage to scrap off corrosion neatly. Here's the image of only slightly corroded tin (not mine) - note those pale-yellowish "pimples" on the rim:


    Santo Domingo



  • ALLexALLex Member
    @Johano Thanks mate, I ll definetely try some Thors Hammer
  • JohanoJohano Member
    edited June 17 PM
    Curious case - just opened my vacuum sealed box for an already opened tin of Thors Hammer after dinner. To my surprise - I couldnt open the tin with bare hands !!

    Turns out the box (which I pumped out of air after placing in it) sucked the air in the tin and made it vac sealed AGAIN! :D
  • @ALLex I've given both the Viking Dark and Thor's Hammer a decent trial run and actually find them very similar. The Vitamin N in Thor's Hammer is only slightly more by my gauge but the flavors are very similar to me. I'd wager if you are a fan of Viking Dark that you'll likely enjoy Thor's Hammer as well if you wouldn't mind a slight bump in nic. I would recommend them both to friend. Each has a wonderful natural tobacco flavor which I enjoy.
  • ALLexALLex Member
    @brandaves nicee
  • beantinbeantin Member
    Funny now WOS have started making a Kendal Brown again. Then viking coming in WOS tins. May be a bit of quid pro quo....?
  • volungevolunge Member
    @beantin, I thought the same.

    mysmokingshop.co.uk has just restocked on Kendal Brown Original and Celtic Talisman (or Firedance; I can't recall which one of those two was missing there along with KBO for a good while...). Elmo's still not there. I wonder which tins these come in now. And how does KBO compares to the new WoS Kendal Brown (side-by-side).

    Someone somewhere (here or on Fb) has mentioned broken chain of vac tins supply; GH has switched to another type of containers for their pipe baccy. Could be related..
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