J&H Wilson's Top Mill No. 1, Large tin

ar47 · May 23

I would like to make sure the fine people who produce J&H Wilson's snuffs are aware: your customers would Love if Top Mill No1 were available in larger, and most importantly better sealed, containers than the 5g swivel tap boxes.

If Top Mill No1 were offered in the current J&H Large tins like SP and MED I would gladly buy in at a couple 12x boxes of tins. Top Mill is a great snuff but no snuff can survive those tap boxes for long.

volunge · May 23

@47 Worth re-posting this on WoS Facebook wall (search for "Wilsons & Co. (Sharrow) Ltd.", they are quite active there).

Possibly, the scarce amount of this particular snuff is determined technically - (if this is the case) - might be a grind thing, which reflects in the name of the snuff itself. I guess they can't produce larger amount of the base flour of that mill fraction. This would explain the tiny tin size.

All in all, a very nice snuff this!

n9inchnails · May 23

J&H Wilson snuff is made by Imperial Tobacco not WoS. And although I'd love if this snuff came in vac tins I dont think Imperial Tobacco gives two shits about their snuffs so I dont see it happening anytime soon.

volunge · May 23

Yes, IT owned quite a few snuff brands, but sold them to Mac Baren. http://pipesmagazine.com/blog/pipe-news/mac-baren-acquires-brands-from-imperial-tobacco/ (kudos to @crullers for the link).

https://mac-baren.com/nasal-snuff/

Still, whoever is the present owner of the brand, I have a feeling that J&H (as well as Hedges L260 and whole McChrystal's range) are made somewhere in South Yorkshire.

Now, the following quote isn't a proof of anything, it just reveals apparently a not so uncommon practice of contracted manufacture: "[..]as we have been producing some of these brands for them for years, this
transaction makes a lot of sense for both parties".

I sent a request to MB, will paste their answer here (if ever get it).

ar47 · May 24

Thanks guys!

I've considered in the past that the production is so low because that matches demand, but here I believe they would sell more than 2x if they invested. Interesting perspective @volunge that they might already be selling all they can produce.

volunge · May 24

@ar47, it seems you are right about demand-matching low production. Here's the reply I just got from MB ISM:

"Hello,

Thank you for your message.

Unfortunately, I have to disappoint you. We don't have any plans of making the Top Mill as a 20 gr. I have never heard there's a demand for this before, so it's not something we have considered."

@n9inchnails, you nailed it, buddy.

However, if low production is not a result of some mfg peculiarities, but is demand-determined, then I'm sure that offering Top Mill in small containers only is doing the demand of this snuff one great disservice. A vicious circle.

P. S. Interesting TM No 1 label info in the very first post in this thread: https://snuffhouse.com/discussion/11700/j-h-wilson-s-tins ("manufactured for Mac Baren").

ar47 · May 25

@volunge great info and thanks for reaching out to them!

They see the demand so low because us snuff conneiseurs hate 5g tap boxes!

peacock · June 2

ive never ordered it because it comes in such a small amount. i snuff enough that 5g just isnt worth ordering especially when you factor in shipping to the USA because mrsnuff increases the shipping rate per item and not just by weight. i was thinking a larger container might generate more interest if there are others here like me

ar47 · June 3

@peacock thanks I agree!

mrmanos · July 3

They need to put this in 25 gm vacuum tims. End of story.

volunge · September 18

I sent them quite a few links to Snuffhouse threads where the need of large tin of Top Mill No. 1 was mentioned.

The last reply I got was: "Thank you very much for your feedback. There's something for us to consider."

Let's convince them there is a demand for it! https://mac-baren.com/contact-us/ It takes just a minute to fill a request form there.

rostanf · September 18

@Volunge I sent them a message.

Dxx · September 18

Me too

rostanf · September 18

volunge · September 18

It's either a template reply or a case of short memory there.. I got the same reply to my very first message I sent them in May.

Anyway, thank you guys for letting Mac Baren know we need it!

Dxx · September 18

I received a similar response, albeit very swiftly. You never know - if enough people ask the question, we might get somewhere.

rostanf · September 21

New tactic. Join me if you will. Besides asking for the large tins I am sending weekly "follow up" emails asking for updates and when they'll be available. Sqeaky wheel gets the grease maybe.

ar47 · September 21

@rostanf my man! Let's do it!

volunge · September 21

@rostanf I'm in!

mrmanos · November 9

I won't buy this snuff ever again unless they go to the big tin. It's great snuff, but I have no problem with any Wilson's SP or menthol; besides they have more variety than JH does. I guess they don't care what their customers think.

Shavasana · November 11

I guess I'm the oddball here, but I've always wished I could get Hedges (from the same company) IN a 5g container. I love it, but the amount I've tossed out is obscene. Now the tap hole, on the other hand, is indeed just an abomination

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