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Preservative for snuff

Pls suggest the best preservative for moist snuff.
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  • AmjafAmjaf Member
    edited November 10 PM
    everyone! I m new here from pakistan
    We are moist snuff munufacturer. Recipe contains
    Tobacco powder 50 kg
    Wood ash. 10 kg
    Lime 5 kg
    Guar gum 6 kg
    Water 50 kg
    We adds alot of preservative as listed below:
    Sodium benzoate
    Sodium bicarbonate
    Poatssium sulphate
    Potassium metabisulphate
    Citric acid
    Boric acid
    Acetic acid
    Methyl parben
    Buthyl paraben
    Sodium sorbate
    But No one work proporly.
    The snuff smell goes unpleasant after few days and also color change
    Please help me in this formulation
    And suggest the best preservative
  • Have you tried using propylene glycol?  Aside from being a humectant, it has preservative properties and a mildly sweet flavor.  Although propylene glycol is food safe, be sure to select a brand that explicitly states that it is food safe (some brands use processes or packaging that may make their product unsuitable for ingestion/oral consumption).  Also, since it is a humectant, you may need to use less water in your recipe.  Additionally, you may have to adjust the recipe of your snuff since the sweet flavor of the propylene glycol may impact the flavor of the final product.
  • Are you sure you are using right tobacco, @Amjaf? Nicotiana tabacum varieties are not suitable for naswar, like the one if this photo (Shaheen). https://ibb.co/sVpBLXq You need to use Nicotiana rustica!

    Please upload a photo of your product.
  • Volunge pls share ur whatup number
  • Thatshychef we use propylene glycol but it not works. The result is same
  • @Amjaf what exactly is the result?

    You wrote that it goes bad after few days, but its not possible.

    It is the fermentation process that makes snuff smell different and it gets darker.

    Its usually a good sign.
    But I have no idea how oral snuff is supposed to be made.
  • AmjafAmjaf Member
    edited November 10 PM
    Johano the snuff becomes spoil after few days. Thats a problem with me
  • @Amjaf, I don't use a phone. Feel free to post here (or PM).

    We cannot understand what exactly do you mean by "spoiled"? Plain naswar always stinks, fresh it reeks of ammonia. It's OK! I would be very disappointed if my naswar or chemma reached me ammonia-free. You can scent it with essential oil, if scented naswar is a thing in your region.

    Rustica tobacco doesn't change the colour that easy. Oral naswar, even that of the so-called "black" kind, is far from being even dark. It's khaki (greenish-brown). If your naswar turned black, something is wrong either with the ingredients (or proportion), or with the process (or both), but believe me, you do not need preservatives for this tobacco product, when the tek is right. If you have wrong recipe, use bad ingredients or run the process in a wrong way, preservatives won't do any wonder!

    Adding alkalis to regular tobacco (Nicotiana tabacum) turns it dark or even close to black. The smell also changes dramatically. If you use Nicotiana rustica, darkening doesn't happen.

    Also, you need to use slaked lime.


  • volungevolunge Member
    edited November 10 PM
    Besides Maghrebian chemma, another nice example of preservatives-free Nicotiana rustica oral product is Turkish naswai - Marash otu. Composition is very simple: Nicotiana rustica, oak ash (1:1) and water. Moisture content - around 50%.

    https://snuffhouse.com/discussion:/7773/marasotu-snus-n-rustica

    https://www.google.lt/search?q=maras+otu&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwjpyPvht_jsAhXRAXcKHQYrBDYQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=maras+otu&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQAzIECAAQEzIGCAAQHhATOgYIABAHEB5QvRxYyx9gtSNoAHAAeACAAZ4DiAGrBJIBBzAuMS40LTGYAQCgAQGqAQtnd3Mtd2l6LWltZ8ABAQ&sclient=img&ei=_MSqX-naAtGD3AOG1pCwAw&bih=578&biw=1252

    Impossible to fail. You don't need preservatives.
  • I try to post picture of my naswar but not loading
  • Its fresh naswar
  • Spoil means snuff smell and color change
  • I think its bacteria which spoil the naswar
  • What about salt (sodium chloride)? Dont see it in your list of ingredients and salt is an essential ingredient. It moderates and slows fermentation and also acts as a preservative.
  • volungevolunge Member
    edited November 12 PM
    @Amjaf, you can upload pictures on https://imgbb.com/ and post the link here. It seems that uploading
    pictures directly to the message board doesn't work.

    You are probably using insufficient amount of alkalis. Try this formula (all ingredients by weight):

    Tobacco 38%
    Water 38%
    Ash 15%
    Lime 5%
    Guar gum 4%

    I'm not sure if the amount of guar gum is right, but this ingredient is unknown to me. Make three small test batches following my suggested formula with reduced guar content (4%, 3%, 2%; indicated by weight).


    What tobacco are you using for this product?


  • AmjafAmjaf Member
    edited November 13 PM
    Sir we use number one tobacco of pakistan. Which is from kpk of pkaistan
  • n9inchnails we use salt but it does not work. Salt create a problem because of it water comes out of snuff
  • See the spoil naswar
    https://ibb.co/LkYYmcy
  • See the fresh one
    https://ibb.co/5MJdg51
  • volungevolunge Member
    edited November 13 PM
    I'm far from being an expert, but I would say that colour is ok. Those white flakes look like sklaked lime or alkaline salts from ash (probably both). If it's actually mold, I would suspect that it's guar gum to blame. Maybe it's contaminated, or simply makes a good medium for fungi (mold) growth. Tobacco alone, mixed in right proportions with strong alkalis (slaked lime and ashes) and water, should not be susceptible to mold, when pH is 10 or higher (up to 11).
  • White flakes is paper, it is not mold. I wrote the date of munufacter of snuff on paper in place in snuff for checking that how many days snuff remain fresh. Thats paper
  • Volunge how to check the PH?
  • Most affordable and the easiest way to check the pH level is to use litmus papers for base test.

    Use those covering full base range from pH 7 to 14. Check your local suppliers. Litmus papers are relatively cheap.

    You need to dissolve 1 gram of product in 10 millilitres of distilled water and inser litmus paper at least two times - after one minute and after ten minutes. Calculate the average then.

    Or you can use digital pH meter in the same manner for more accurate measuring, but these devices are pricey. The cheapest ones which are sold for 10 euros are not suitable, they are very unreliable.

    Measuring the pH is easy.

    But in all fairness, best indicator is the lip and gums of naswar user. If you use good quality naswar yourself, you will feel if pH is too high. Too high pH is PAINFUL. The pain continues even after removing naswar from your lip. Your mucous "peels off", too... Using too alkaline naswar, you litterally end up with a chemical burn and an open wound (raw flesh) in your lip/gums.
  • volungevolunge Member
    edited November 14 PM
    If mold is not an issue, I don't understand what's wrong with it.

    Ammonia should air out with time, at least most part of it, if that is your concern.

    Like I said, colour looks normal. Compare: https://www.facebook.com/Mardannaswar/ Also, run google search for naswar images. Colour gamut is pretty wide, all possible tones of khaki.

    Also, worth trying making a small batch without guar gum, and the batch with reduced content of guar gum. And the one without slaked lime, only with ashes (consider using larger amount of it, that is, up to 30% ash; one with guar gum and one without guar gum).

    And adding 0.5% ammonium chloride.
  • Ok
  • Vegetable Glycerin works well but it's very sweet. It's a food grade product. I always add it to snus, and sometimes add it to dark coarse snuff for the nose.
  • mrmanos our snuff is oral. We try glycerin but it does not keep the snuff preserved for long time.
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